Fandom.

I’ve mentioned this before, what with the backlash some extreme Star Trek fans had for a new movie before it had even been released, but considering recent events where some feel the need to stalk me on twitter to prove they’re not mental, their failed efforts have encouraged me to post what I see the difference is between being a fan… and being completely barking mental.
I see nothing wrong with being a fan of anyone, or anything. For example, I’m a fan of people. It’s well known I’m a big fan of pro wrestler Raven, I even nicked his pose. I’ve met Raven at one of his seminars and talked to him about this very subject. Do I hold that moment close to me, assume he’d remember me and hope that he’ll read this and mark out over me? No. Do I hope that we can be life long friends, that he’ll share with me the love I have for him? No. Do I love him? Again, no. I’m not a mental.
Katee Sackhoff or Nicole deBoer? Yes, I’m a fan of their work. I’d even go as far to say I’m a fan of their hotness. Do I love them and wish I could get close with them, we’ll have a special relationship and be special to each other? No. If I’m bored, I’ll have a special moment with myself and Google image search and get on with the rest of my day.
Being a fan of something, or someone, is a nod of appreciation. You like them, they’ve done a good job. Well done. Nathan Fillion. I’d say he’s a pretty good actor. I’ve enjoyed everything I’ve seen him in and if I see his face in an ad or name in the credits. I’ll watch it. If he’s going to be at a con, I’ll consider going over and saying hello. Share a joke, have a giggle, take the piss then I’ll go eat a burger.
I did that with Casey Biggs. I’m a big fan of his role in Deep Space Nine. I met hm, had a chat, went for a smoke and a burger. I even had a photo taken with him. And was geeked up. Will he remember me? No. Should I expect him to? No.
Being a fan isn’t a bad thing. Meeting someone who’s work you admire or respect, also, not a bad thing. Outside of geekdom, the average Joe does it all the time with footballers. It’s when they expect more from their fandom they cross the line from average geek, to insanity.
If I were Nathan Fillion and I came cross a fan site, I’d be flattered. I might even have a little giggle. If I read on and read comments about loving me, having deep desires for me and other bizarre things. I’d be terrified. If that person said it to my face, and I’d never met them. I’d smile, nod and hope never to cross their path again and possibly have a restraining order put against them.
It’s not healthy. And it’s often a substitute for having a life so ordinary, so mundane and so unfulfilling that they try and fill that void with something else. Something pathetic. In a way I feel sorry for them, but at the same time, they’re scary, scary beasts.
In the big picture, I’m no one. At all. In the slightest. I’ve had fans who come to a show, ask for an autograph, aprecate the work. Some who comment positively and negatively on forums and in person. I apreciate every one of them for coming along and I’m glad they had fun.
Then I’ve had those types of fans. The crazies. I’ve had a fan who created a little fantasy world around me, told everyone that I was her lover, posted on my company’s forum telling everyone about our imagined illicit affair and she even claimed to be carrying my baby. Is that normal? No, it is fucking not.
The other type of fan I hate are the superfan elitists. These come in subtle forms, and extreme forms of superiority complex idiocy.
The subtle forms are easy to spot, and make you roll your eyes immediatly. “I’ve been a fan of Doctor Who for years, and I think it sucked so I must be right.” As if their longevity of a fan overrules your opinion. This came into play a lot when Star Trek was released last year. All sorts came out of the woodwork to declare they were fans since the 60′s, that they’de seen every episode and this was a horrible, horrible movie.
Of course, that was before anyone had even seen the movie and there are still those type of people posting online that still haven’t seen the movie and are trying to tear it apart. Because they know better.
The more extreme fanatics will of course make no qualms about pointing out they know better. That their opinion rules above all. They’ll tell you this directly, bash everything about you, try to tear you apart because you dared to like something they didn’t. They don’t care about being in the minority, they only care about being right.
That too, is not healthy. Not just from a debate standpoint, but it’s just psychotic the level of ‘devotion’ these people give to a TV show. It’s a TV show! You’re the ones William Shatner were talking about when he said his immortal line ‘Get a life’.
Those types of fans rip the fun out of everything. They turn a piece of entertainment, regardless of it’s content, into the word of God. Those are the types that alienated the Star Trek fanbase into the basement dwelling geek stereotypes while the less anal Star Wars fans ruled.
I’ll use recent commenter and master of the geeky top ten, Marty Michaels as an example. He hates Dark Knight. I like Dark Knight. I prefer Deep Space Nine, he prefers Voyager. I like the Tenth Doctor, he doesn’t. I like Star Trek 11 and think it gets better every time. He thought it was alright and that it doesn’t stand up to multiple viewings. I dislike Star Wars. He likes Star Wars.
Are we going to fall out over it? Do we put each other down, or think of ourselves as better than each other for our different views? No, we’re not idiots. We talk about what we like and dislike, sometimes at great length and my phone bill will sky rocket with texts flying back and force about new BSG versus old BSG. But we’re not moronic enough to think that our views rule above all.
Those who do, well… it’s insanity. Why do these people hold up a TV show as gospel? Who is arrogant enough to believe his opinion is the only one that matters?
What about the rest? Who would say their in love with an actor and not realise they are absolutely bonkers? Who devotes their life to someone instead of living their own?
I’m a geek, a terrible geek, and I extend my old job of dressing up like a prick as an excuse to create costumes and dress up as a prick alongside many others dressing up as pricks. Occasionally they’ll be a Princess Liea costume and life suddenly makes so much sense. I enjoy certain sci fi shows, wrestling and more…
But I have my limits. Being a fan of someone, something, is not a bad thing. The superfans and the crazies go beyond those limits.
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Comments
Comment from gorzek
Time 16.01.2010 at 15:52
Well said. The extremes some people take their enjoyment of a TV show, movie, etc. to are frightening. There are TV shows, movies, bands, whatever–some of them I like, some of them I don’t. I don’t mind discussing my opinions with other people, but in the end, it’s just an intellectual exercise and doesn’t really amount to anything. They’re still opinions on things that, in the grand scheme of things, don’t actually matter. Why people would subject themselves to things they don’t like, or focus so much energy on things they clearly have only negative feelings about, is beyond me.
Comment from Marty Michaels
Time 16.01.2010 at 22:16
This could be my favorite thing I’ve read of yours (and not only cause I got a mention and a dearly needed plug.)
James Tyler Reply:
January 16th, 2010 at 22:38
I liked writing it. It came from my bitter, enraged heart.
Though I’m told some people took offense. Well those people have offended me. How dare they repost elements of my blog and not even ask me permission. That’s disgraceful, dishonoest, plagirism, rude and I will not stand for it!
Comment from freak4life
Time 17.01.2010 at 16:22
spot on on the wreslting side mate. i just dont get this whole thing about watching wwe programing when you hate it so much. same goes for tna etc. dont like it done watch it.
James Tyler Reply:
January 17th, 2010 at 20:58
Amen to that. Are you a fan of the loved/hated WWE or TNA?
Comment from jojo
Time 17.01.2010 at 18:13
Whats the worst fandom you’ve witnessed? Seeing some fans can really pt me off a show.
Comment from DIVROS
Time 17.01.2010 at 19:25
No mention of OG or whatever they call themselves now? For Shame?
I reckon they were the biggest collecton of nutters assembled on the planet. The TV show they devoted themselves to was also the show they hated the most. Everything had to be done their way or no way at all.
Success ruined it for them.
James Tyler Reply:
January 17th, 2010 at 21:02
jojo – DIVROS has just summed it up. Outpost Gallifrey, or Gallifrey One as they’re now known, are absolutely awful. Their forum is filled with hateful and arrogant people. And the owners/admin are just as bad.
I’ve heard some real horror stories from that site.
Comment from lollercopter
Time 17.01.2010 at 20:06
I think my name mirrors my thoughts on this. So true. Though there are good sides of fandom, it always gets overshadowed by things like Trekkies and guys learning to be a Jedi. For real.
James Tyler Reply:
January 18th, 2010 at 14:15
Trekkies… embarrassing film. Though the ‘Church of Trek’ shown on BBC2 for the tenth anniversary was a lot worse.
Comment from Scapey
Time 18.01.2010 at 14:07
Just getting round to some blogcatchupperry, and I need to commend you on this post.
Now, I’ve been on the internet for many more years than you, so obviously it’s not as good as anything I’d ever write, and you do have a few aspects of your opinion that are completely wrong, but it’s not bad for starters.
Excellent post, mate – If only more folk on the scene shared this outlook.
( DS9 FTW tho. )
James Tyler Reply:
January 18th, 2010 at 14:20
I don’t envy your blogcatchuperry. I’m trying to do that too. I was on my Google Reader account for the first time in a while (Christmas nonsense) and the sheer number of unread posts scared me.
I’m all for saying I’m wrong – to be honest, there is some hypocrisy when you take into account my comments on Holmes and the fact that I am a big fat geek myself…
But yeah, the people that should take notice of rants like these never will. I had to ban myself from going to TrekBBS’s forum for the new movie as there was (and still is) a hardcore minority who’s sole purpose in life is so be angry at people who enjoy the new movie.
How long have you been on the internet? It scares me too much to count the years and think back to the chat room era.
James Tyler Reply:
January 18th, 2010 at 14:21
Also… I just noticed your new board. I pointed it out to Raven to be told “Yeah, two weeks ago.”
Boo me.
Scapey Reply:
January 19th, 2010 at 00:45
LOL
I did specifically want you guys on there, as I like your attitude.
The inspiration for the board in the first place came from the unfair censorship elsewhere… I got pissed off watching mods overreact to constructive criticism so badly that it turned into destructive criticism as a matter of course!
Hoping SciFi Scotland grows over time, and acts as a hub for folk who want to go to and openly discuss all such events.
And maybe who knows, one day I’ll be promoting ‘em myself ( And banning you buggers for slagging my gigs off!
)
James Tyler Reply:
January 19th, 2010 at 09:51
Well thank you
I just like to enjoy myself and hope things go well. Despite it looking like I’m Mr Negativity on occasion. Or more than that… I had to shoosh after a while – even if I agreed with them! Though out of everything I’ve said I can’t believe the only thing thats been deleted has been taking the piss out of the shirt Jason wore at Glasgow last year.
It’s a good idea for a board, I’ve seen quite a few communities (the only one I can remember is the who meetup in Crystal palace) and their hard to find. If you ever get to promoting status, I look forward to being banned!
Comment from BlueBell
Time 18.01.2010 at 17:03
How can anyone hate Dark Knight
Comment from Marty Michaels
Time 18.01.2010 at 17:07
Cause it’s not very good. From my blog on the 25 worst comic book movies ever made:
“Ooooh, controversial! Don’t beleive the hype – this one sucked hard. An asthmatic Batman and a boring, one-note Joker do not add up to a good movie. The whole point of the Joker, the thing that makes him so terrifying is that he’s NOT scary. He’s a clown, a jester, the kind of guy you’d expect to see making balloon animals for kids. The fact this funny, harmless looking guy will turn round and rip your fucking face off as soon as look at you is what makes the character so scary. The minute you see Ledger, limping and slurping and smacking his lips, you know he’s evil bastard – thus robbing the charatcer of the dichtomoty that makes him interesting. It’s also fucking boring. In this and “Batman Begins” Christopher Nolan was going for gritty realism, but all he achieved was boring the piss out of me. Realism? Excuse me, but isn’t this a film about a MILLIONAIRE NINJA WHO DRESSES LIKE A BAT TO FIGHT CRIME IN THE FORM OF CLOWNS AND MEN WITH FACIAL DEFORMITIES!? Where, pray, is the FUCKING REALISM there? Don’t be a fucking cunt. Plus, the movie’s way too fucking long. It’s boring. There’s a whole subplot set in Hong Kong (or some fucking where) that has no real bearing on the plot (something about getting a witness to testify against someone) – but at least that gets us away from the totally generic Gotham Nolan gives us. In the comics, in the Burtons, in the Schumakers, hell even in “Batman Begins” Gotham City felt like a character, less of a city and more of a living, breathing character, the kind of place where you could believe a man could dress as a bat and fight clowns – the Gotham of “The Dark Knight” is so generic and bland and boring that it could be any city in any country in the world. It doesn’t even look like the same place that “Batman Begins” was set in. How the fuck this movie did so well is beyond me. People are just fucking sheep I suppose. Plus, Christian Bale has gotta be the worst Batman ever. Between the bionic Batsuit (the less said about that the better) and his stupid fucking 60-a-day voice he presents an almost comical version of the Batman. What the fuck was he thinking with that voice? And why the fuck did Nolan let him? There’s a rumor that Batman’s being recast for the next film. I live in hope.”
Comment from passer by
Time 18.01.2010 at 19:24
DK could have been worse. It could have been Batman & Robin.
James Tyler Reply:
January 18th, 2010 at 20:32
Thats not just worse… thats a Gods damned tragedy of cinema.
Scapey Reply:
January 19th, 2010 at 00:46
Batman and Robin?
What’s that?
I heard they planned a sequel or two to the Keaton “Batman”, and that was one of the names they had in mind?
Never got made, though.
James Tyler Reply:
January 19th, 2010 at 09:52
Thats the way I’d wish it’d gone. I think it was Batman and Robin I had to turn off the first time I watched it as it wwas going into unintentional parody territory. and felt more like the Adam West movie than the Tim Burton versions that relaunced the screen franchise.
Comment from Marty Michaels
Time 19.01.2010 at 10:32
The Tim Burton movies suck. Take off the tinted spex and realise. The first one is every bit as camp as anything Schumaker did (the Joker singing Prince songs on a giant gala day float?) and the second one is so “dark” that it’s damn near unwatchable. “Batman Forever” was no masterpeice I’ll grant you, but when oh when will people realise that “Baman and Robin” isn’t supposed to be taken seriously. “Unintentional parody?” I thought better of you, Tyler. INtentional parody. Watch it the way you’d watch the Adam West series and it’s far better than you remember. Not that I’m in defense of it, it’s undoubetdly the drizzling shits, but it’s really not as bad as it’s made out to be.
James Tyler Reply:
January 19th, 2010 at 11:40
Given the films before it, it did come off as unintentional parody to me at the tme. The previous ones were camp, had some OTT elements etc but they still had a serious tone. Looking back on it when I re-watched them a couple of years ago, I could see some comedy elements. But they weren’t funny. It seemed more like accidental humour, someone thought this was a brilliant idea and you end up laughing at them.
If I found it funny I might have found a bit of enjoyment in it, Star Tek V was poor and I still enjoy that, but it’s one film I don’t want to subject myself to again.
Comment from Scapey
Time 19.01.2010 at 23:15
Given that prior to the first Burton Batman, the last we’d had was Adam West, I think it was about as “Dark” as we’d have had any right to expect.
It was completely a product of it’s time – Sadly, so were the later sequels.
It took the 90s to make me really appreciate the 80s.
( And I think I now want to quote myself on a T-shirt! )
James Tyler Reply:
January 20th, 2010 at 08:01
That’s quite true. Though I do give the more recent films some credit for being able to capture a modern audience, much like other remakes have. I think that’s where I have mixed feeling for the A Team movie.
I’d expand on that – but I’m not quite awake or functioning properly right now. But I will put in an order for that t-shirt.


James Tyler Reply:
January 16th, 2010 at 16:02
Indeed. And ‘m glad I’m not the only one with that mindset.
On the note of people subjecting themselves to things they hate, that I just can’t understand at all. Using a non Sci-Fi example, there’s a popular wrestling forum I post and advertise on. Despite a wide variety of wrestling to pick and choose from, with various styles more suited to their taste, there are still posters who continue to watch WWE two or three times a week, buy pay per view events… and do nothing but point out that the product is terrible.
I thought the product was getting bad, I switched off. It seems a lot of people forget how to use their remote.